Curse

genofreek · Sep 02, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

But then everyone would just pay a runner to get them through that one quest. And again, as with the other things they tried to keep elite with high prices and rare materials, the armor goes to the ebayers.

milan · Sep 02, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

/unsigned.

I have rank 4 (at least 13k each) dwarf, asura and vanguard by simply doing quests and completing dungeons once each - Still not completed all the dungeons or completed all the quests. It's incredibly easy to get simply by playing the game.

I haven't included norn in that because I farmed a lot of points during the preview.

mazey vorstagg · Sep 02, 2007, 03:48 PM // 15:48

/not signed

Well I wouldn't mind it rank 4. But you get 1500 points for doing dungeons so I'm happy to keep reaping the rewards of cathedral of flames/kathandrax and get 1500 points towards my title at the end. Not to mention the Vanguard quests there are too.

Squishy ftw · Sep 02, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

/notsigned

Just play the game, quests etc. and you're already either close or above the required rank. So I dont see a need to lower it or anything

BlackSephir · Sep 02, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by genofreek

But then everyone would just pay a runner to get them through that one quest. And again, as with the other things they tried to keep elite with high prices and rare materials, the armor goes to the ebayers.

I said 'hard as hell quest' not one you'd be able to run through

Series · Sep 02, 2007, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

I think the OP doesn't mean that it'd be good if people wouldn't have to work to get their presitge armour.
The problem is grinding- it's boring, it's repetitive and it's only purpose is to get to R5.
I'd gladly see it changed to something like this: wanna our prestige armour? No problem. You just have to do this one quest. Of course it's hard as hell and you probably won't do it with henchies and heroes but hey, it's better than grinding, right?

Yup.

Grinding=/=Work

Grinding=/=Skill

Grinding=Wasting your life

Abedeus · Sep 02, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by mazey vorstagg

Well I wouldn't mind it rank 4. But you get 1500 points for doing dungeons so I'm happy to keep reaping the rewards of cathedral of flames/kathandrax and get 1500 points towards my title at the end.

Dunno why, but I killed Murakai second time, got only 200 points, diamond and that (as for now) Surmia Carving. So I think that dungeons are no worthy of doing them second time and so on, but maybe someone will do them just for loot and quest reward.

genofreek · Sep 02, 2007, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

I said 'hard as hell quest' not one you'd be able to run through

So the runners/helpers will just charge more.

I get what you're saying, but making something extremely difficult is just going to cause players to whine about how impossible it is and pay someone else to get them through it. Which loops us right back to the ebaying problem raised by making prestige items/armor simply expensive.

Arkantos · Sep 02, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

I said 'hard as hell quest' not one you'd be able to run through

I'm pretty sure by run he meant 1 person + 6 heroes/henchies do it for you.

Even if they made these quests hard as hell, they would most likely be doable by heroes/henchies unless you want it to be so hard it forces cookie cutter builds. Even if it was too hard for heroes/henchies, it would be like forgemaster runs. Few human players run to forgemaster for 50k.

BlackSephir · Sep 02, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Yeah, it's not like you can hire someone to grind Norn/Vanguard/Dwarf/Asura reputation for you.
Oh, wait...

noname22369 · Sep 03, 2007, 03:26 AM // 03:26

/not signed

It's not too hard to get those titles.

Zahr Dalsk · Sep 03, 2007, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Here's an idea, reduce the rank requirement or make the titles account based.

Stopping ebayers is nice, but not if it means stopping people who have stuff like jobs, school, etc and can't play forever, by which I mean the casual players, who were supposed to be Guild Wars' target audience.

To be honest all I really want is the new headgear such as glasses, bandana, etc, but I'm not bothering if I have to do a massive grind for each character. A smaller grind for each character? Sure. A massive grind that I only need to do once on my account? Fine. A massive grind that must be repeated for each of my six current PvE characters? No.

Guild Wars is supposed to be targeted at casual gamers. Making all the new armor in this expansion require a large amount of grinding is NOT easy for casual gamers.

/partially signed. We don't need grind eliminated, but it is pretty steep at the moment.

kazjun · Sep 03, 2007, 03:39 AM // 03:39

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For now anyway. I'll see after my 5th pve character, though I've got a feeling I'll just say stuff it. Most of the 'new' armour is crap. I'll just stick to what's already available, and none of them require grind. Unless you're talking vabbian, where you need to farm some for cash to get rubies...

genofreek · Sep 03, 2007, 03:50 AM // 03:50

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Yeah, it's not like you can hire someone to grind Norn/Vanguard/Dwarf/Asura reputation for you.
Oh, wait...

Huh. You know, you don't have to get snarky.

I see where grabbing up a powergrinder could happen, but I haven't actually seen anyone ask for or offer that service yet. It doesn't seem very practical either way you do it.

We already know how popular hired help is for difficult quests and endgame missions, so turning the current situation into a quest that's as tough as grinding is long will only guarantee that ebayers will pay a wammo to do the dirty work for them.

On the other hand, make it easy enough for everyone to stop complaining about it and make an effort to do it, and suddenly there's no prestige in the new armor anymore. Not to mention, the people who spent their time killing monsters and earning their armor instead of making whiny topics in Sardelac are gonna be pissed.

DarkGanni · Sep 03, 2007, 05:50 AM // 05:50

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

I think the OP doesn't mean that it'd be good if people wouldn't have to work to get their presitge armour.
The problem is grinding- it's boring, it's repetitive and it's only purpose is to get to R5.
I'd gladly see it changed to something like this: wanna our prestige armour? No problem. You just have to do this one quest. Of course it's hard as hell and you probably won't do it with henchies and heroes but hey, it's better than grinding, right?

I like that idea better

MirkoTeran · Sep 03, 2007, 07:29 AM // 07:29

So, elite armor for no work? Doesn't sound elite to me...

revelation · Sep 03, 2007, 08:56 AM // 08:56

You guys are so annoying, just whining about how hard it is to get r5 at certain title... Even if you have work/children/school and any other thing that keep you busy too much in life, it really isn't hard to get r5, if you play 1-2h per day you can get it in less than a week.. And if you can't play 1-2h per day, then it's your problem. Instead of begging Anet for removing the title needed for armor on forums, you could already get few thousand points in the game. You can't change everything you don't like in the game...

haggus71 · Sep 03, 2007, 09:13 AM // 09:13

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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

So, elite armor for no work? Doesn't sound elite to me...

And doing the same task over and over like a 2 year old monkey is very elite. Elite would be doing something that challenges your skill, not feeding OCD tendencies.

Shit. Screw this. Honestly, I'd be more impressed by a guy in 1.5k monk armor with the max glad title than some zombie with Norn armor. It'll be a good thing when GW2 separates pvp from pve.

EternalTempest · Sep 03, 2007, 09:16 AM // 09:16

I feel your pain, but as much as it's going to cost me
(on my 1/4 of the 1st set of 10 "prestige" armor set)....

/not signed

Mercurio · Sep 03, 2007, 09:45 AM // 09:45

/not signed
(even for an armor that could require two lifes to have it)

WTF! there are a lot of wow lovers around here, and people who cryes for the low level cap... if you want not to play a bit to get a cool thing that will not change your character power, simply don't do it.

Sorry for my hardness I have just read the "level cap" thread.